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Minimum Age for Welsh Kingship in the Eleventh Century
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Constans I and his 343 Visit to Britain
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Composite Lives of St Beuno
Rethinking the Gwent Pedigrees
The Father of Tewdrig of Gwent
Another Look at Teithfallt of Gwent
Ynyr Gwent and Caradog Freich Fras
Llowarch ap Bran, Lord of Menai
Rulers of Brycheiniog - The Unanswered Questions
Lluan ferch Brychan
The Herbert Family Pedigree
Edwin of Tegeingl and his Family
Angharad, Heiress of Mostyn
Ithel of Bryn in Powys
Idnerth Benfras of Maesbrook
Henry, the Forgotten Son of Cadwgan ap Bleddyn
The Muddled Pedigree of Sir John Wynn of Gwydir
The Mysterious Peverel Family
The Clan of Tudor Trevor
The Other "Sir Roger of Powys"
Ancestry of Ieuaf ap Adda ap Awr of Trevor
The Retaking of Northeast Wales
Hedd Molwynog or Hedd ap Alunog of Llanfair Talhearn
"Meuter Fawr" son of Hedd ap Alunog
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Trahaearn Goch of Lleyn
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#16 - RHYS GOCH of YSTRAD YW
 
        For this man, Bartrum offered 4 different pedigrees:
 
        (1) "Rys goch ap Ivor ap Eignon vab arglwydd Kyrnyw"
 
        (2) "Rys goch ap Meinyrch arglwydd Ystrad Yw"
 
        (3) "Rys goch kyff kenedl Ystrad Yw ap Rricert ap Einion ap Gwngudd"
        (4) "Rys [goch] ap Rickart ap Einion ap Gloyw ap Hoyw ap Hyfaidd henllyn ap Kradog craichvras arglwydd Maes Hyfaidd"
 
         In his notes to the pedigrees, Bartrum says:
 
         "The genealogies point to a date of about 1070 for his birth.  He could have been a son of Maenyrch as in [#16 in this series] but the best texts make him son or grandson of Einion.  Hyfaidd Henllyn is presumably supposed to have given his name to Maes Hyfaidd (Radnor).  The epithet seems to be a corruption of Unllen.  Hyfaidd Unllen appears without parentage in Culhwch ac Olwen (WM 462, RM 107) and Breuddwyd Rhonabwy (RM 159).
 
PEDIGREE 1:
 
          While omitting Richert between Ifor and Einion, this pedigree refers to a different man named Rhys Goch; this man was a brother of the father of the Rhys Goch Lord of Ystrad Yw.  Neither man had any connection to Cernyw.
 
PEDIGREE 2:
 
          We believe this pedigree is correct, but does not carry his ancestry back far enough to identify the Maenyrch who was his father.
 
PEDIGREE 3:
 
          Although this pedigree omits two generations, Rhys Goch did descend from Richert ap Einion...but whether this Einion was a son of Gwynngy or Selyf is uncertain[1].
 
PEDIGREE 4:
 
          Like #3 above, this pedigree seeks to attach Rhys Goch to the family descended from the c. 475 Caradog Freich Fras.  It also omits the names of the father and grandfather of Rhys Goch.
 
BARTRUM'S NOTES:
 
         We agree Rhys Goch was born c. 1070, but our analysis finds he had an uncle (not Lord of Ystrad Yw) also called Rhys Goch in the pedigree material and born c. 1045.  We do not agree, however, that the father of either man was the Maenyrch who fathered Bleddyn.
 
         Our preferred chart of this extended family links it with the Irish Deisi tribe:
                                      715  Naufedd Hen[2]
                                                   l
                                       745  Naufedd
                                                   l
                                       775  Tewdwr
                                                   l
                                       810  Gwylog
                                                   l
                                        840  Elisse
                                                   l
                                       875  Gruffudd
                                                   l
                                         910  Selyf
                                                   l
                                         945  Einion
                                                   l
                                       975  Richert
                                                   l
                                        1010  Ifor
                    ___________________l______________
                    l                                                     l
      1040  Maenyrch                                 1045  Rhys Goch(a)
                    l         
      1070  Rhys Goch(b)
 
         (a)  The Rhys Goch cited as married to Sian ferch Cadwgan ap Elystan Glodrydd[3], a lady born c. 1055; also the one cited as a son of Ifor
           (b)  He was Lord of Ystrad Yw and had a daughter Gwladys, born c. 1105, who married Ynyr Fychan ap Meurig ap Ynyr of Gwent[4].  That Ynyr Fychan was born c. 1095; this is also the Rhys Goch cited as a son of Maenyrch
 
 
NOTES:
[1] Refer to our discussion in "Rulers of Brychieniog - The Unanswered Questions" elsewhere on this site
[2] Ibid note 1; he descended from Cathen ap Cloten of the Deisi tribe.  The mother of Cathen was the heiress of the last male descended from Brychan
[3] T. Jones "History of Brecknockshire, Glanusk Edition, vol ii, p. 141
[4] Llyfr Baglan, 10 & 141