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Llowarch ap Bran, Lord of Menai
Rulers of Brycheiniog - The Unanswered Questions
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The Herbert Family Pedigree
Edwin of Tegeingl and his Family
Angharad, Heiress of Mostyn
Ithel of Bryn in Powys
Idnerth Benfras of Maesbrook
Henry, the Forgotten Son of Cadwgan ap Bleddyn
The Muddled Pedigree of Sir John Wynn of Gwydir
The Mysterious Peverel Family
The Clan of Tudor Trevor
The Other "Sir Roger of Powys"
Ancestry of Ieuaf ap Adda ap Awr of Trevor
The Retaking of Northeast Wales
Hedd Molwynog or Hedd ap Alunog of Llanfair Talhearn
"Meuter Fawr" son of Hedd ap Alunog
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#20 - MEILYR GRYG
 
        Bartrum offers a single pedigree for this man:
 
        "Meilyr Gryg ap Gruffudd ap Iorwerth ap Owain ap Rhodri ap Gwaeddan ap Brochwel ap Aeddan ap Cyngen ap Eliseg"
 
        His notes to the pedigree say:
 
        "Meilyr Gryg, born c. 1170, is said to have lived at Llwyn Melyn near Gregynog, about nine miles west of Montgomery.  He was ancestor of families in Cydewain, including Blayney of Gregynog."
 
COMMENTS:
 
        This is the pedigree of the first Meilyr Gryg, born c. 1025.  The Brochwel ap Aeddan in his ancestry was the first of that name in the Powys Royal family; Gwaeddan was a younger brother of the first Selyf ap Brochwel.  However, the pedigree errs in making Cyngen a son of Eliseg; this Cyngen was a son of Brochwel ap Eliseg.[1]
 
       Five generations after this 11th century Meilyr Gryg, the family produced another Meilyr born c. 1190 who may, or may not, have been called "Gryg".[2]  The male generations which separated the two men named Meilyr (Llewelyn, Einion, Llewelyn and Llewelyn Fychan) were repeated by the later Meilyr and occur in the pedigree of Evan Blayney of c. 1385. 
 
        Others have attempted to explain the missing 5 generation gap in the Blayney pedigree[3], but like Bartrum simply ignore a series of marriage matches which confirm a c. 1025 Meilyr Gryg.  By including all these ladies, and accurately dating the men they married, we arrived at this pedigree for Evan Blayney:
 
                                      685  Eliseg
                                                l
                                    715  Brochwel
                                                l
                                     750  Cyngen
                                                l
                                     785  Aeddan
                                                l
                                    820  Brochwel
                                                l
                                   855  Gwaeddan
                                                l
                                     890  Rhodri
                                                l
                                     920  Owain
                                                l
                                    955  Iorwerth
                                                l
                                    990  Gruffudd
                                                l
                                 1025  Meilyr Gryg
                                                l
                                  1060  Llewelyn[4]
                                                l
                                    1095  Einion[5]
                                                l
                                   1130  Llewelyn[6]
                                                l
                              1160  Llewelyn Fychan[7]
                                                l
                                 1190  Meilyr (Gryg?)
                                                l
                                   1220  Llewelyn
                                                l
                                    1250  Einion
                                                l
                                   1280  Llewelyn
                                                l
                               1315  Llewelyn Fychan
                                                l
                                  1355  Gruffudd
                                                l
                                1385  Evan Blayney
 
NOTES:
[1] Harleian Ms 3859, 31 as written and not including Bartrum's unwarranted emendation
[2] See the paper "The First Meilyr Gryg of Gregynog" elsewhere on this site
[3] W. V. Lloyd, "A Genealogical Crux and Solution", Montgomeryshire Collections Vol XXV, pp 291-295
[4] This Llewelyn had 3 daughters (Lleuci, Nest and Sioned) who married men born 1075 to 1085
[5] This Einion had 2 daughters (Arddun and Elen) who married men born 1115 and 1125
[6] This Llewelyn married Angharad ferch Adda ap Madog ap Idnerth ap Cadwgan ap Elystan Glodrydd, a lady born c. 1145
[7] This Llewelyn Fychan had a son, Cadwaladr, who married Alison ferch Trahaearn ap Iorwerth of Garthmyl, a lady born c. 1205