THREE CONFLATED BRECKNOCK FAMILIES
By
Darrell Wolcott
Perhaps the only man in these families that the average Welsh genealogist might recognize is Owain Gethin ap Owain of Glyntawe
Parish in Cantref Mawr. Bartrum charted the ancestry and descendants of a single Owain Gethin on his charts "Bleddyn
ap Maenyrch 28, 29 and 30" with only minor suggestions that something might be amiss here. [1]
Our granular chronological analysis of all the relationships shown on these 3 charts disclosed that Bartrum's charts conflate
3 separate families which contain same-named strings of men, each born a full generation later than the earlier one.
In fact, there were 5 men named Owain Gethin ap Owain, two of which occur in both Family #2 and Family #3 as identified below.
The
following chart identifies the roots of each family found on the Bartrum charts mentioned above:
1015
MAENYRCH ap DRYFFIN
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1045 Bleddyn 1050 Drymbenog
1047 Dryffin
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1075 Gwgan
Blaidd Gwyrdd
1075 Maenyrch
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1115 Cadifor
1105 Gwgan
1110 Drymbenog
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1145 Meurig
1140 Cadifor*
1145 Moriddig
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1175 Gwilym
1170 Meurig
1175 Llewelyn
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1200 Gwilym**
1210 Meurig
l
1240 Gwilym
*This Cadifor married Mallt ferch Llewelyn
Fychan ap
Llewelyn ap Gwgan of Dyfed
**This is the only Gwilym ap Meurig who had a brother,
Ieuan
FAMILY
#1 FAMILY #2
FAMILY #3
Rather than attempt to draw tree charts for our analysis of these families, we shall instead use narrative pedigrees
due to the number of siblings found in some families:
FAMILY #1
1. Gwilym ap Meurig ap Cadifor, born c. 1175
His wife is unknown, but he had a son and a daughter:
2.
Caradog ap Gwilym ap Meurig
Elen
ferch Gwilym ap Meurig, born c. 1210. She married Caradog (1210) ap Richard (1175) ap Einion (1140) ap Richard (1105)
ap Einion (1065) ap Cadifor Fawr (1030) [2]
2. Caradog ap Gwilym ap Meurig, born c. 1205
His wife is unknown,
but he had a son:
3. Owain ap
Caradog ap Gwilym
3. Owain ap Caradog ap Gwilym, born c. 1235
His wife is unknown,
but he had a son:
4. Owain
Gethin ap Owain ap Caradog
4. Owain Gethin ap Owain ap Caradog, born c. 1265
His wife and place
of residency are unknown, but he had a son and 2 daughters:
5. Gruffudd
ap Owain Gethin ap Owain
Gwladys
ferch Owain Gethin ap Owain, born c. 1300. She married Ieuan (1300) ap Hywel (1265) ap Iorwerth Fychan (1225) ap Iorwerth
(1190) ap Sir Gwarin (1155) ap Caradog (1125) ap Ynyr Fychan (1095) ap Meurig (1065) ap Ynyr of Abergavenny, Gwent (1030)
[3]
Nest ferch Owain Gethin ap Owain, born c. 1300. She married Thomas Aubrey IV (1285) [4]
5. Gruffudd ap Owain Gethin ap Owain, born c. 1295
His wife is unknown,
but he had a 2 sons:
6. Jenkin ap
Gruffudd ap Owain Gethin
Thomas
ap Grufudd ap Owain Gethin, born c. 1325. He had a daughter:
Marged ferch Thomas ap Gruffudd, born c. 1360. She married Jenkin Havard (1350), son of Maredudd (1315) ap Madog
Havard (1280) [4.1]
6. Jenkin ap Gruffudd ap Owain Gethin, born c. 1330
His wife is unknown, but he had a son:
Morgan ap Jenkin ap
Gruffudd, born c. 1360. He married a daughter (1370) ferch Gwilym (1335) ap Dafydd (1305) ap Gwilym Fychan (1275) ap
Gwilym (1245) ap Owain Fychan (1210) ap Owain (1180) ap Cynharwy (1150) ap Llewelyn (1115) ap Moriddig Warwyn (1080) ap Drymbenog
(1050), the latter being a brother of Brycheiniog King Bleddyn ap Maenyrch. [5]
All the children identified
for a man of this name belong to another Morgan ap Jenkin born c. 1400.
FAMILY #2:
1. Gwilym ap Meurig ap Cadifor, born c. 1200.
His wife was Cristyn
ferch Emerod Turberville, who Bartrum dates to c. 1200. [6] They had a son:
2. Caradog ap
Gwilym ap Meurig
2. Caradog ap Gwilym ap Meurig, born c. 1230
His wife is unknown,
but he had a son and a daughter:
3. Owain ap Caradog
ap Gwilym
Dyddgu
ferch Caradog ap Gwilym, born c. 1270. She married Rhys (1270) ap Gronwy (1240) ap Caradog (1210) ap Richard (1175)
ap Einion (1140) ap Richard (1105) ap Einion (1065) ap Cadifor Fawr (1030) [7]
3. Owain ap Caradog ap Gwilym, born c. 1265
He married Lleuci (1265)
ferch Einion Sais (1225) ap Rhys (1195) ap Hywel (1165) ap Trahaearn (1135) ap Gwgan (1105) ap Gwgan Blaidd Gwyrdd (1075)
ap Bleddyn (1045) ap Maenyrch (1015) [8] They had 3 sons and 2 daughters:
4. Owain Gethin
ap Owain ap Caradog
5. Owain Fwya
ap Owain ap Caradog
6. Caradog ap
Owain ap Caradog
Joan
ferch Owain ap Caradog, born c. 1305. She married Gwilym Fwya (1305) ap Ieuan (1275) ap Einion (1245) ap Hywel (1210)
ap Gruffudd Gwyr (1175) ap Cadifor (1140) ap Gwgan (1105) ap Gwgan Blaidd Gwrydd (1075) ap Bleddyn (1045) ap Maenyrch (1015)
[9]
Marged
ferch Owain ap Caradog, born c. 1295. She married William (1280) ap Thomas (1245) ap Charles (1215) ap Defrok (1185)
ap Thomas Carn (1155) ap Iddon (1125) ap Ynyr Fychan (1095) ap Meurig (1065) ap Ynyr Gwent (1030) [10] 4. Owain Gethin ap Owain ap Caradog, born
c. 1300
His wife in unknown, but he was described as living in Glyntawe Parish in a
pedigree citing the marriage of a daughter of his to Dafydd Ddu. He had 2 sons and a daughter:
7. Gruffudd ap Owain Gethin ap Owain
8. Dafydd ap Owain Gethin ap Owain
Daughter ferch Owain Gethin ap Owain, born c.
1335. She married Dafydd Ddu (1330) ap Dafydd (1300) ap Rhys (1270) ap Gwilym Fychan (1235) ap Gwilym (1200) ap Philip
(1170) ap Gruffudd Fras (1135) ap Cadwgan (1105) ap Llewelyn (1075) ap Gwrgan (1045) [11]
5. Owain Fwya ap Owain ap Caradog, born c. 1305
His wife is unknown, but he had 2 sons:
9. Trahaearn ap Owain Fwya ap Owain
10. Madog Llwyd ap Owain Fwya ap Owain
6. Caradog ap Owain ap Caradog, born c. 1295
His wife is unknown, but he had a son:
11. Owain ap Caradog ap Owain
7. Gruffudd ap Owain Gethin ap Owain, born c. 1330
He married a daughter (1340) ferch Dafydd Fychan (1305) ap Dafydd Rhingyll
(1280) ap Gronwy Foel (1255) ap Robert (1225) ap Bledri (1195) ap Ifor (1165) ap Bledri (1130) ap Rhys (1095) ap Bledri (1065)
ap Cadifor Fawr (1030) [12] They had 3 sons:
12. Jenkin ap Gruffudd ap Owain Gethin
13. Owain ap Gruffudd ap Owain Gethin
14. Thomas ap Gruffudd ap Owain Gethin
8. Dafydd ap Owain Gethin ap Owain, born c. 1330
His wife is unknown, but he had 2 sons:
15. Hywel ap Dafydd ap Owain Gethin
16. Ieuan Ddu ap Dafydd ap Owain Gethin
9. Trahaearn ap Owain Fwya ap Owain, born c. 1335
His wife is unknown, but he had a son:
Ieuan Gwyn ap Trahaearn ap Owain Fwya, born c. 1370.
His wife is unknown, but he had a child:
Daughter ferch Ieuan Gwyn ap
Trahaearn, born c. 1405. She married Thomas (1405) ap Gruffudd (1375) ap Trahaearn Llwyd (1345) ap Thomas (1310) ap
Llewelyn (1275) ap Thomas (1245) ap Llewelyn (1210) ap Rhys (1175) ap Roger (1145) ap Rawlff (1115) ap Caradog (1080) ap Bleddyn
(1045) ap Maenyrch (1015) [13]
10. Madog Llwyd ap Owain Fwya ap Owain, born c. 1340
He married Marged (1355) ferch Ieuan (1325) ap Llewelyn Ddu (1295) ap Llewelyn
(1265) ap Gwrgan Goch (1235) ap Ieuan (1205) ap Meurig (1175) ap Bleddyn (1145) ap Cadifor (1115) ap Gwgan Blaidd Gwyrdd (1075)
ap Bleddyn (1045) ap Maenyrch (1015) [14] All known children belong to another Madog Llwyd ap Owain Fwya ap Owain
who was born c. 1365
11. Owain ap Caradog ap Owain, born c. 1330
His wife is unknown, but he had a son:
17. Owain Gethin ap Owain ap Caradog
12. Jenkin ap Gruffudd ap Owain Gethin, born c. 1365
He married a daughter (1370) ferch Ieuan (1335) ap Gwilym (1305) ap Hywel Grach
(1275) ap Gwilym (1240) ap Hywel (1205) ap Gwgan Fychan (1175) ap Gwgan (1145) ap Llewelyn (1115) ap Moriddig Warwyn (1080)
ap Drymbenog (1050) ap Maenyrch (1015) [15] He had a son:
18. Morgan ap Jenkin ap Gruffudd
13. Owain ap Gruffudd ap Owain Gethin, born c. 1360
His wife is unknown, but he had 4 sons and a daughter:
19. Ieuan Melyn ap Owain ap Gruffudd
20. Jenkin ap Owain ap Gruffudd
21. Morgan ap Owain ap Gruffudd
22. Richard ap Owain ap Gruffudd
Efa ferch Owain ap Gruffudd, born
c. 1400. She married Gwilym Ddu (1390) ap Gwilym Gam (1350) ap Hywel Fychan (1315) ap Hywel (1280) ap Gruffudd Fab (1245)
ap Gruffudd Fychan (1210) ap Gruffudd Gwyr (1175) [16]
14. Thomas ap Gruffudd ap Owain Gethin, born c. 1365
He married Sian (1375) ferch Roger Hen (1345) ap Gwallter Sais (1315) ap Roger
Ieuanc (1280) ap Roger Fawr (1245) ap Ieuan (1215) ap Hywel (1180) ap Seisyll (1145) ap Llewelyn (1115) ap Moriddig Warwyn
(1080) [17] They had 2 sons:
23. Gwilym ap Thomas ap Gruffudd
Jenkin ap Thomas ap Gruffudd, born
c. 1400. He married Ann (1410) ferch Roger (1380) ap Watkin (1350) ap Jeffrey (1320) ap Hywel Fychan (1290) ap Hywel
(1260) ap Dafydd (1225) ap Rhys (1195) ap Hywel (1165) ap Trahaearn (1135) ap Gwgan (1105) ap Gwgan Blaidd Gwyrdd (1075)
ap Bleddyn (1045) ap Maenyrch (1015) [18] They had no known children.
15. Hywel ap Dafydd ap Owain Gethin, born c. 1360
He married Gwenllian (1365) ferch Hywel (1330) ap Dafydd Blawd (1300) ap Hywel
(1260) ap Dafydd (1225), continuing as in the pedigree of Ann ferch Roger immediately above. [19] They had 2 daughters:
Daughter ferch Hywel ap Dafydd, born c. 1390. She married Thomas (1380)
ap Roger (1350) ap Thomas (1315) ap Dafydd Llwyd (1290) ap Hywel (1260) ap Einion Sais (1225) [20]
Gwenllian ferch Hywel ap Dafydd, born c. 1395. She married Ieuan (1395)
ap Gwilym (1365) ap Llewelyn (1325) ap Hywel Fychan (1295) ap Hywel (1260) ap Einion Sais (1225) [21]
16. Ieuan Ddu ap Dafydd ap Owain Gethin, born c. 1365
He married a daughter (1365) ferch Thomas (1325) ap Trahaearn Fychan (1295)
ap Trahaearn Tal (1265) ap Hywel (1235) ap Gwgan (1205) ap Llewelyn (1175) ap Moriddig (1145) ap Drymbenog (1110) ap Maenyrch
(1075) ap Dryffin (1047) ap Maenyrch (1015) [22] They had 7 sons and 3 daughters as shown on Bartrum chart
"Bleddyn ap Maenyrch 29". This line was not conflated with any other Ieuan Ddu ap Dafydd ap Owain Gethin.
17. Owain Gethin ap Owain ap Caradog, born c. 1360
His wife is unknown, but he had a son:
24. Gruffudd ap Owain Gethin ap Owain
18. Morgan ap Jenkin ap Gruffudd, born c. 1400.
His wife is unknown, but he had 2 sons and a daughter:
John ap Morgan ap Jenkin, born c. 1430
Jenkin ap Morgan ap Jenkin, born c. 1430
Daughter ferch Morgan ap Jenkin, born c. 1430.
She married Ieuan Llwyd (1420) ap Thomas (1390) ap Morgan (1360) ap Gruffudd (1330) ap Dafydd (1300) ap Hywel (1270) ap Cadwgan
(1235) ap Cadwallon (1200) ap Maredudd Goch (1170) ap Einion (1140) ap Hywel (1115) ap Seisyll (1085) ap Llewelyn (1055) ap
Cadwgan (1020) ap Elystan Glodrydd (990) [23]
We did not continue with the families of John and Jenkin since there were no
families attached to the other Morgan ap Jenkin ap Gruffudd that might be conflated with this family
19. Ieuan Melyn ap Owain ap Gruffudd, born c. 1390
His wife is unknown, but he had a son:
25. Gruffudd ap Ieuan Melyn ap Owain
20. Jenkin ap Owain ap Gruffudd, born c. 1395
He married a daughter (1410) ferch Ieuan Deg (1380) ap Dafydd (1350) ap Hywel y
Brawd (1320) ap Dafydd (1285) ap Rhys (1255) ap Einion Sais (1225) [24] They had no known children.
21. Morgan ap Owain ap Gruffudd, born c. 1400
His wife is unknown. His will is dated 1467. He had a son:
Richard ap Morgan ap Gruffudd, born c. 1440.
He had a son:
Harry ap Richard ap Morgan,
born c. 1470. He had a child, but this series of male names was not found in the other conflated families.
22. Richard ap Owain ap Gruffudd, born 1390
His wife is unknown, but he had a son:
26. Dafydd ap Richard ap Owain
23. Gwilym ap Thomas ap Gruffudd. born c. 1395
He married Annes (1400) ferch Hywel (1370) ap Llewelyn (1325) ap Hywel Fychan
(1295) ap Hywel (1260) ap Einion Sais (1225) [25] They had 2 sons and 4 daughters:
27. Hywel ap Gwilym ap Thomas
Thomas Hir ap Gwilym ap Thomas, born
c. 1425. He married Crisly (1435) ferch Hywel (1405) ap Rhys (1375) ap Hywel (1340) ap Dafydd (1310) ap Ieuan (1275)
ap Trahaearn (1240) ap Madog (1205) ap Trahaearn (1170) ap Einion (1135) ap Madog (1105) ap Maenyrch (1075) ap Dryffin (1047)
ap Maenyrch (1015) [26]
Sioned ferch Gwilym ap Thomas, born c.
1425 She married (a) Llewelyn (1410) ap Dafydd (1375) ap Morgan (1345) ap Dafydd Yscolhaig (1315) ap Ieuan (1280) ap
Meurig (1250) ap Cadwgan (1210) ap Trahaearn (1175) ap Ysbwys (1145) ap Einion (1110) ap Iago (1075) ap Gruffudd (1040) ap
Elisse (1005) descended from Naufedd Hen of the Irish Deisi tribe [27]; and (b) Morgan (1410) ap Thomas (1375) ap Trahaearn
(1335) ap Gwilym (1305) ap Hywel Grach (1275) ap Gwilym (1240) ap Hywel (1205) ap Gwgan Fychan (1175) ap Gwgan (1145) ap Llewelyn
(1115) ap Moriddig Warwyn (1080) [28]
Sian ferch Gwilym ap Thomas, born c. 1430. She
married Ieuan Llwyd (1420) ap Thomas (1390) ap Morgan (1360) ap Gruffudd (1330) ap Dafydd (1300) ap Hywel (1270) ap Cadwqan
(1235) ap Cadwallon (1200) ap Maredudd Goch (1170) ap Einion (1140) ap Hywel (1115) ap Seisyll (1085) ap Llewelyn (1055) ap
Cadwgan (1020) ap Elystan Glodrydd (990) [29]
Ann ferch Gwilym ap Thomas, born c. 1430.
She married Lewys Gunter (1420), son of Gwilym ap William Gunter [30]
Daughter ferch Gwilym ap Thomas, born c. 1430.
She married William St John, son of Alexander, a man who Bartrum dates c. 1430 [31]
24. Gruffudd ap Owain Gethin ap Owain, born c. 1390
He married a daughter (1405) ferch Hopkin (1370) ap Thomas (1340) ap Einion
Gen (1310) ap Hywel Fychan (1280) ap Hywel (1245) ap Gruffudd Fychan (1210) ap Gruffudd Gwyr (1175) [32] They
had a son:
28. Owain ap Gruffudd ap Owain Gethin
25. Gruffudd ap Ieuan Melyn ap Owain, born c. 1420
He married Sissely (1420) ferch Ieuan (1380) ap Watkin (1350) ap Jeffrey (1320)
ap Hywel Fychan (1290) ap Hywel (1260) ap Dafydd (1224), the latter being a brother of Einion Sais [33] He
had 1 son and 4 daughters:
Rhys ap Gruffudd ap Ieuan Melyn, born c. 1450.
He married Julian (1450) daughter of John Aubrey [34]
Elen ferch Gruffudd ap Ieuan Melyn, born c. 1450.
She married John Llwyd (1435) ap Llewelyn (1405) ap Gwilym (1370) ap Thomas Llwyd (1340) ap Thomas (1305) ap Trahaearn Tal (1265)
ap Hywel (1235) ap Gwgan (1205) ap Llewelyn (1180) ap Moriddig (1145) ap Drymbenog (1110) ap Maenyrch (1075) ap Dryffin (1047),
the latter being a brother of Bleddyn ap Maenyrch, King of Brycheiniog [35]
Marged ferch Gruffudd ap Ieuan Melyn, born c. 1450.
She married Llewelyn (1440) ap Gruffudd (1405) ap Hopkin (1370) ap Llewelyn Fwya (1340) ap Llewelyn (1305) ap Rhys (1270)
ap Gronwy (1240) ap Caradog (1210) ap Richard (1175) ap Einion (1140) ap Richard (1105) ap Einion (1065) ap Cadifor Fawr (1030)
[36]
Isabel ferch Gruffudd ap Ieuan Melyn, born c. 1455.
She married William Havard (1450) son of Maredudd ap William Havard Hen [37]
Daughter ferch Gruffudd ap Ieuan Melyn, born c. 1455.
She married Gwilym (1455) ap Dafydd (1425) ap John (1395) ap Cadwgan (1365) ap Morgan Llwyd (1320) ap Gruffudd (1290) ap Cadwgan
Goch (1260) ap Gruffudd (1230) ap Cadwgan Hen (1195) ap Gruffudd (1160) ap Gwrgeneu (1130) ap Mabron (1095) ap Eidio Wyllt
(1065) [38]
26. Dafydd ap Richard ap Owain, born c. 1420
His wife is unknown, but he had 2 sons:
Rhys ap Dafydd ap Richard, born c. 1450. He married
a daughter (1460) ferch Ieuan (1430) ap Gwilym Gwyn (1395) ap Einion (1365) ap Gwilym (1335) ap Einion Cest (1305) ap Llewelyn
(1275) ap Rhys (1240) ap Owain (1205) ap Rhydderch Ddu (1175) ap Cadwgan Fawr (1145) ap Bleddyn (1110) ap Rhiwallon Rwth (1080)
ap Dryffin (1047) ap Maenyrch (1015) [38.1]
Morgan ap Dafydd ap Richard, born c. 1450, He
had a son:
Ieuan ap Morgan
ap Dafydd, born c. 1480. He married a daughter(1490) ferch John (1455) ap Philip (1425) ap Madog (1395) ap Trahaearn
(1360) ap Madog (1330) ap Trahaearn Fychan (1295) ap Trahaearn Tal (1265) ap Hywel (1235) ap Gwgan (1205) ap Llewelyn (1175)
ap Moriddig (1145) ap Drymbenog (1110) ap Maenyrch (1075) ap Dryffin (1047) ap Maenyrch (1015) [38.2]
27. Hywel ap Gwilym ap Thomas, born c. 1425
He married Mawd (1425) ferch Thomas (1395) ap Philiip Fychan (1365) ap Gwilym
(1330) ap Philip (1295) ap Richard Gam (1260) ap Richard (1230) ap Einion (1200) ap Llywarch (1170) ap Richard (1135)
ap Einion (1105) ap Llywarch (1075) ap Maenyrch (1040) ap Ifor (1010) ap Richert (975) ap Einion (945) ap Gwynngy (910) ap
Hydd Hwgan (875) of Brycheiniog. [39] He had a daughter:
Annes ferch Hywel ap Gwilym, born c. 1460. She
married William (1455) son of Thomas Havard [40]
28. Owain ap Gruffudd ap Owain Gethin, born c. 1420
He married Mawd (1430) ferch Morgan (1400) ap Dafydd Gam (1365) [41] He
had 4 sons and a daughter:
29. Richard ap Owain ap Gruffudd
30. Gruffudd ap Owain ap Gruffudd
31. Jenkin ap Owain ap Gruffudd
32. Ieuan ap Owain ap Gruffudd
Gwenllian ferch Owain ap Gruffudd, born
c. 1450. She married Jenkin (1435), son of Morgan Aubrey [42]
29. Richard ap Owain ap Gruffudd, born c. 1450
He married Marged (1460) ferch Gwallter (1430) ap Morgan (1400) ap Dafydd Gam
(1365) [43] He had a son:
Maredudd ap Richard ap Owain, born c. 1480. He
married Marged (1480) ferch Gruffudd (1445) ap Llewelyn (1410) ap Gwilym (1380) ap Rhys Llwyd (1350) ap Adda (1320) ap Rhys
Llwyd (1285) ap Adda (1255) ap Einion Sais (1225) [44]
He had a daughter:
Sissely ferch Maredudd ap Richard, born c. 1520. She married Llewelyn ap Gruffudd Fychan ap Thomas ap Gruffudd ap Rhys
Gwyn ap Gruffudd ap Owain Gethin, for whom see #22 in Family Three below.
30. Gruffudd ap Owain ap Gruffudd, born c. 1450
He married a daughter (1460) ferch Ieuan (1430) ap Morgan (1400) ap Dafydd
Gam (1365) [45]
31. Jenkin ap Owain ap Gruffudd, born c. 1450
His wife is unknown, but he had a son:
Thomas ap Jenkin ap Owain, born c. 1485. He married
a daughter (1490) ferch Gwilym (1455) ap Hywel (1425) ap Gwilym Ddu (1395) ap Hywel (1370) ap Llewelyn (1325), this c. 1370
Hywel being a brother of Dafydd Gam. [46]
32. Ieuan ap Owain ap Gruffudd, born c. 1450
He married Marged (1460) ferch Jenkin Vaughan (1430) ap Hywel Fychan (1400)
ap Philip Fychan (1365) ap Gwilym (1330) ap Philip (1295) ap Richard Gam (1260) as in item #27 above [47]
FAMILY #3:
1.
Gwilym ap Meurig ap Llewelyn, born c. 1240
His wife is unknown,
but he had a son:
2. Caradog ap Gwilym ap Meurig
2.
Caradog ap Gwilym ap Meurig, born c. 1270
He married Joan (1275) ferch
Owain (1240) ap Cynharwy (1210) ap Llewelyn (1175) ap Moriddig (1145) ap Drymbenog (1110) ap Maenyrch (1075) ap Dryffin (1047)
ap Maenyrch (1015) ap Dryffin (980). [48] They had a son:
3.
Owain ap Caradog ap Gwilym
3. Owain ap Caradog ap Gwilym, born c. 1300
His wife is unknown, but he had 3 sons:
4. Owain Gethin ap Owain
ap Caradog
5. Owain Fwya ap Owain ap Caradog
6. Caradog ap Owain ap Caradog
4. Owain Gethin ap Owain ap Caradog, born c. 1335
He married Gwenllian (1350) ferch Gwilym (1320) ap Jenkin (1290) ap Adam (1255) ap Cynhaethwy (1225) ap Adam (1190), her father
being the ancestor of the Herbert family of Gwent. [49] They had 2 sons:
7. Gruffudd ap Owain Gethin ap Owain
8. Dafydd ap Owain Gethin
ap Owain
5. Owain Fwya ap Owain ap Caradog, born c. 1335
He married Efa (1335) ferch Ieuan (1295) ap Lleision (1260) ap Rhys (1225) ap Morgan Fychan (1195) ap Morgan Gam (1165) ap
Morgan (1135) ap Caradog (1105) ap Iestyn (1075) ap Gwrgan (1042) ap Ithel Ddu (1012) ap Ithel (980) [50] This was the
2nd man named Iestyn ap Gwrgan in this Glamorgan family. The had a son and a daughter:
9. Madog Llwyd ap Owain Fwya ap Owain
Daughter ferch Owain Fwya
ap Owain, born c. 1370 She married William (1360) ap Thomas (1330) ap Jenkin (1300) ap Rhys (1265) ap Llewelyn (1230)
ap Rhys (1195) ap Gronwy (1165) ap Caradog (1135) ap Richard (1105) ap Einion (1065) ap Cadifor Fawr (1030). [51]
6.
Caradog ap Owain ap Caradog, born c. 1335
His wife is unknown, but he had
a son:
10. Owain ap Caradog ap Owain
7. Gruffudd ap Owain Gethin ap Owain, born c. 1365
His
wife is unknown, but he had 4 sons:
11. Owain ap Gruffudd ap Owain Gethin
12. Thomas ap Gruffudd ap Owain Gethin
13. Jenkin ap
Gruffudd ap Owain Gethin
14. Rhys Gwyn ap Gruffudd ap Owain Gethin
8.
Dafydd ap Owain Gethin ap Owain, born c. 1365
His wife is unknown, but
he had 3 sons and a daughter:
15. Hywel ap Dafydd ap Owain Gethin
16. Thomas ap Dafydd ap Owain Gethin
17. Llewelyn Ddu ap Dafydd
ap Owain Gethin
Daughter ferch Dafydd
ap Owain Gethin, born c. 1395. She married Hywel Melyn (1385) ap Gwilym Gam (1350) ap Hywel Fychan (1315) ap Hywel (1280)
ap Gruffudd Fab (1245) ap Gruffudd Fychan (1210) ap Gruffudd Gwyr (1175) [52]
9. Madog Llwyd ap Owain
Fwya ap Owain, born c. 1365
His wife is unknown, but he had 2 sons and
2 daughters:
18.
Maredudd ap Madog Llwyd ap Owain Fwya ap Owain
Gruffudd ap Madog
Llwyd ap Owain Fwya, born c. 1400. He had a son:
Thomas Ddu ap Gruffudd ap Madog Llwyd, born c. 1430
Gwladys ferch Madog Llwyd ap Owain Fwya, born c. 1395. She married Rhys (1390) ap Ieuan (1360) ap Gruffudd (1330) ap
Llewelyn Foethus (1300) ap Llewelyn Ddu (1270) ap Owain (1240) ap Gruffudd (1210) ap Elidyr (1180) ap Owain (1150) ap Idnerth
(1120) ap Llewelyn (1085) ap Idnerth (1050) ap Cadwgan (1020) ap Elystan Glodrydd (990) [53]
Ales ferch Madog Llwyd ap Owain Fwya, born c. 1400. She married Rhys (1385) ap Richard Fawr
(1355) ap Dafydd (1325) ap Richard (1295) ap Dafydd (1255) ap Rhys (1225) ap Hywel Fychan (1195) ap Hywel (1165) ap Trahaearn
(1135) ap Gwgan (1105) ap Gwgan Blaidd Gwyrdd (1075) ap Bleddyn (1045) ap Maenyrch (1015) [54]
10. Owain ap
Caradog ap Owain, born c. 1365
His wife is unknown, but he had a son:
19.
Owain Gethin ap Owain ap Caradog
11. Owain ap Gruffudd ap Owain Gethin, born c. 1395
He married (a) a daughter (1410) ferch Richard (1380) ap Jenkin (1350) ap Richard (1320) ap Jenkin (1290) ap Dafydd (1255)
ap Rhys (1225) ap Hywel Fychan (1195) ap Hywel (1165) ap Trahaearn (1135) ap Gwgan (1105) ap Gwgan Blaidd Gwyrdd (1075)
ap Bleddyn (1045) ap Maenyrch (1015). [55] He also married (b) a daughter (1405) ferch Gruffudd (1375) ap Hywel
Melyn (1345) ap Gwilym Gam (1315) ap Hywel Fychan (1280) ap Hywel (1245) ap Gruffudd Fychan (1210) ap Gruffudd Gwyr (1175).
[56] He had 2 sons and a daughter:
20. Ieuan Melyn ap
Owain ap Gruffudd
Maredudd ap Owain ap Gruffudd, born c. 1425.
He had a daughter:
Daughter ferch Maredudd ap Owain, born c. 1455. She married Jenkin (1440) ap John (1405) ap Gwilym (1375)
ap Dafydd (1345) ap Gwilym Fychan (1310) ap Gwilym (1275) ap Owain (1240) ap Cynharwy (1210) ap Llewelyn (1175) ap Moriddig
(1145) ap Drymbenog (1110) ap Maenyrch (1075) ap Dryffin (1047) ap Maenyrch (1015) [57]
Daughter ferch Owain ap Gruffudd, born c. 1430, She married Hywel (1425) ap Madog (1395)
ap Trahaearn (1360) ap Madog (1330) ap Trahaearn Fychan (1295) ap Trahaearn Tal (1265) ap Hywel (1235) ap Gwgan (1205) ap
Llewelyn (1175) ap Moriddig (1145) [58]
12. Thomas ap Gruffudd ap Owain Gethin, born c. 1395.
His wife is unknown, but he had a son:
21. Gwilym ap Thomas
ap Gruffudd
13. Jenkin ap Gruffudd ap Owain Gethin, born c.
1400
His wife is unknown, but he had a son and a daughter:
John ap Jenkin ap Gruffudd, born c. 1430. He had a son:
Morgan ap John ap Jenkin, born c. 1460. He had a daughter:
Daughter ferch Morgan ap John, born c. 1490. She married Thomas Vaughan (1480) ap Lewys
Vaughan (1450) ap Sir Roger Vaughan (1414) ap Sir Roger Fychan (1380) ap Roger Hen (1345) ap Gwallter Sais (1315) ap Roger
Ieuanc (1280) ap Roger Fawr (1245) ap Ieuan (1215) ap Hywel (1180) ap Seisyll (1145) ap Llewelyn (1115) ap Moriddig Warwyn
(1080) [59]
Daughter ferch Jenkin ap Gruffudd,
born c. 1430. She married Roger (1420) ap Rhys (1390) ap Roger (1355) ap Ieuan (1320) ap Gruffudd (1285) ap Hywel (1250)
ap Gwallter (1215) ap Trahaearn (1185) ap Madog Fychan (1155) ap Madog (1125) ap Trahaearn Fawr (1095) Lord of Commote, descended
from the Irish Deisi. [60]
14. Rhys Gwyn ap Gruffudd ap Owain Gethin, born c. 1400
He married a Welsh lady whose ancestry is unknown. They had a son:
22.
Gruffudd ap Rhys Gwyn ap Gruffudd
15. Hywel ap Dafydd ap Owain Gethin, born c. 1395
His wife is unknown, but he had a daughter:
Daughter
ferch Hywel ap Dafydd ap Owain Gethin, born c. 1430. She married Thomas (1420) ap William Havard Hen (1385) [61]
16.
Thomas ap Dafydd ap Owain Gethin, born c. 1400
His wife is unknown, but
he had a daughter:
Marged ferch Thomas ap Dafydd,
born c. 1435. She married Ieuan (1430) ap Morgan (1400) ap Dafydd Gam (1365) [62]
17. Llewelyn Ddu
ap Dafydd ap Owain Gethin, born c. 1405
His wife is unknown but he
had a daughter:
Gwenllian ferch Llewelyn Ddu ap
Dafydd, born c. 1435. She married Llewelyn (1425) ap Hywel (1390) ap Dafydd Hir (1355) ap Rhys Llwyd (1320) ap Adda
(1290) ap Rhys (1255) ap Einion Sais (1225) [63]
18. Maredudd ap Madog Llwyd ap Owain Fwya, born c. 1395
His wife is unknown, but he had a son:
Ieuan ap Maredudd ap Madog Llwyd, born c. 1425. He had a daughter:
Daughter ferch Ieuan ap Maredudd, born c. 1455. She married Ieuan (1440) ap Thomas (1410) ap Rhys Goch (1380) ap Maredudd
(1350) ap Thomas (1320) ap Rhys Goch (1290) ap Maredudd (1260) ap Einion Sais (1225) [64]
19. Owain Gethin ap
Owain ap Caradog, born c. 1395
His wife is unknown, but he had a son:
Gruffudd ap Owain Gethin ap Owain, born c. 1425. He had a son:
Owain ap Gruffudd ap Owain Gethin, born c. 1455. He had a son and a daughter:
Jenkin ap Owain ap Gruffudd, born c. 1485.
He had 2 daughters:
Maud ferch Jenkin ap Owain, born c. 1520. She married Dafydd (1510) ap Gruffudd (1480) ap John (1445)
ap Gruffudd (1415) ap Hywel Melyn (1385) ap Gwilym Gam (1350) ap Hywel Fychan (1315) ap Hywel (1280) ap Gruffudd Fab (1245)
ap Gruffudd Fychan (1210) ap Gruffudd Gwyr (1175) [65]
Sioned ferch Jenkin ap Owain, born c. 1515. She married Madog
(1505) ap Gruffudd (1475) ap Ieuan (1440) ap Thomas (1410) ap Rhys Goch (1380) ap Maredudd (1350) ap Thomas (1320) ap Rhys
Goch (1290) ap Maredudd (1260) ap Einion Sais (1225) [66]
Daughter ferch Owain ap Gruffudd, born c. 1485. She married Robert Cradock (1470) ap Dafydd (1435) ap Thomas (1400)
ap Ieuan (1365) ap Caradog (1335) ap Ynyr (1300) ap Ifor (1270) ap Richard (1240) ap Einion (1210) ap Richard (1175)
ap Einion (1140) ap Richard (1105) ap Einion (1065) ap Cadior Fawr (1030). [66.1]
20. Ieuan Melyn
ap Owain ap Gruffudd, born c. 1430
He married Isabel (1445) ferch Philip
(1415) ap Gwilym (1380) ap Rhys Llwyd (1350) ap Adda (1320) ap Rhys Llwyd (1285) ap Adda (1255) ap Einion Sais (1225)
[67] They had a son:
23. Gruffudd ap Ieuan Melyn ap Owain.
21. Gwilym ap Thomas ap Gruffudd, born c. 1425
His wife is
unknown but he had a 2 sons and 2 daughters:
24. John ap Gwilym ap Thomas
Hywel
ap Gwilym ap Thomas, born c. 1455. He married Mawd (1460) ferch Richard Cradock (1430) ap Gwilym (1395)
ap Ieuan (1365) ap Caradog (1330) ap Ynyr (1300) ap Ifor (1270) ap Richard (1240) ap Einion
(1210) ap Richard (1175) ap Einion (1140) ap Richard (1105) ap Einion (1065) ap Cadifor Fawr (1030)
[68]
Sioned ferch Gwilym ap Thomas, born c.
1455. She married Morgan (1440) ap Rhys Ddu (1405) ap Hywel (1375) ap Morgan (1345) ap Rhys Llwyd (1315) ap Gruffudd
(1280) ap Rhys (1250) ap Philip Fychan (1220) ap Gwilym (1185) ap Maredudd (1155) ap Rhydderch (1125) ap Bledri Latimer (1095)
ap Bledri (1065) ap Cadifor Fawr (1030) [69]
Marged ferch Gwilym ap Thomas, born c. 1455. She married William Gunter (1440) son of Jenkin Gunter Hen (1405) [70]
22. Gruffudd ap Rhys Gwyn ap Gruffudd, born c. 1430
He married
Gwenllian (1440) ferch Morgan (1405) ap Rhys (1375) ap Ieuan (1345) ap Gruffudd (1315) Ieuan Goch (1285) ap Gronwy Foel (1255)
ap Robert (1225) ap Bledri (1195) ap Ifor (1165) ap Bledri (1130) ap Rhys (1095) ap Bledri (1065) ap Cadifor Fawr (1030) [71]
He had a son:
Thomas ap Gruffudd ap Rhys Gwyn, born c. 1460. He had a son:
Gruffudd Fychan ap Thomas ap Gruffudd, born c. 1490. The ancestry of his wife is unknown, but he had a son:
Llewelyn ap Gruffudd Fychan ap Tomas, born c. 1520.
He married Sissely (Cecily) ferch Maredudd ap Richard ap Owain ap Gruffudd who can be found in #29 in Family Two above. [72]
23. Gruffudd ap Ieuan Melyn ap Owain, born c. 1460
His
wife is unknown. He had a son and a daughter:
Rhys ap Gruffudd ap
Ieuan Melyn, born c. 1490. He married Gwenllian (1505) ferch Henry (1475) ap Jenkin (1445) ap Ieuan Gwyn (1415)
ap Hywel Melyn (1385) ap Gwilym Gam (1350) ap Hywel Fychan (1315) ap Hywel (1280) ap Gruffudd Fab (1245) ap Gruffudd Fychan
(1210) ap Gruffudd Gwyr (1175) [73]
Isabel ferch Gruffudd ap Ieuan
Melyn, born c. 1495. She married Gruffudd (1480) ap Rhys (1445) ap Andrew (1415) ap Rhys (1385) ap Dafydd (1350) ap
Maredudd (1320) ap Gwilym (1290) ap Hywel (1260) ap Einion Sais (1225) [74]
24. John ap Gwilym ap Thomas, born c. 1455
His wife is unknown, but he had a son:
William ap John ap Gwilym, born c. 1490. He had a son:
Thomas ap William ap John, born c. 1520. He married a daughter (1525) ferch John (1495) ap Thomas (1460) ap Philip
Vaughan (1425) ap Thomas (1395) ap Philip Fychan (1365) ap Gwilym (1330) ap Philip (1295) and continued as shown in Family
2, #27 above. [75]
NOTABLE SAME-NAME STRINGS:
While there are several duplicated name strings of 6 generations or less within these families, there
are three which are especially interesting:
a. Family Two, Item 25 shows the end of a 10 name string which includes Rhys and Isabel, children of Gruffudd ap Ieuan
Melyn. The entire string is duplicated by a Famiy Three Item 23 line which also ends with Rhys and Isabel, children
of another Gruffudd ap Ieuan Melyn.
b. On Family Two Item 23, we find a 9 name
string ending with Sioned (Jonet) ferch Gwilym ap Thomas. All 9 names are duplicated by Family Three Item 21 ending
with another Sioned ferch Gwilym ap Thomas. While the final Sioned (Jonet) of Family Two did have two marriages,
the husband assignments charted by Bartrum on his "Bleddyn ap Maenyrch 30(A1)" incorrectly distribute the 3 husbands to the
2 Jonets (who he charted as sisters). c. There are 5 occurrences of the name-string "Gruffudd ap Owain
Gethin ap Owain ap Caradog" in these families. See Family One, #5. Family Two #7 and #24, and Family Three, #7 and #19.
NOTES:
[1] For example, he charts 2 different lines for the father of a single Gwilym, gives Owain ap Caradog sons not
born in the same generation as each other, and gives Gruffudd ap Owain Gethin two wives born at least 35 years apart.
[2] Glamorgan 65 = Golden Grove Ms p. 503
[3] LB 236
[4] Dwnn ii, 57
[4.1] Pen 128, 791a & 870b
[5] Dwnn ii, 41
[6] Glamorgan 201 = Golden Grove Ms p. 639
[7] Sir Thomas Phillips "Glamorganshire Pedgrees", 1845. Page 18
[8] Harl 1975, 49: LB 89
[9] Glamorgan 122 = Golden Grove Ms 550
[10] Bodleian Add C179, 8
[11] Pen 133 47
[12] Pen 128, 869a
[13] Harl 3525, 94
[14] Pen 131, 265
[15] Harl 3525, 96 & 104
[16] Glamorgan 109 = Golden Grove Ms 547
[17] Pen 128, 791a
[18] Harl 2289, 82; citation says "Jenkin ap Thomas ap Owain Gethin"; Bartrum corrects to "Thomas ap Gruffudd ap Owain
Gethin" since none of the Owain Gethins in this extended family had a son named Thomas. We agree.
[19] Pen 128, 870a
[20] Pen 132, 250
[21] Pen 128, 870a; Harl 5235, 192
[22] Pen 128, 787a
[23] Harl 2300(2), 138
[24] Harl 3535, 96
[25] Pen 128, 867b; Pen 131, 231
[26] Pen 128, 867b & 868b
[27] Harl 2289, 151
[28] Pen 131, 231
[29] Bodleian Add A281, 319
[30] Harl 2300(2), 151
[31] Cardiff 2.1, 45
[32] Pen 128, 787b
[33] Dwnn ii, 39 & 41
[34] Dwnn ii, 40 & 41
[35] Harl 3525, 14 & 117
[36] Harl 2289, 148
[37] Protheroe IV, 66
[38] Harl 3525, 98
[38.1] Egerton 2587, 59
[38.2] Cardiff 5.6, 158
[39] Pen 128, 787b; the citation wrongly attaches Einion ap Llywarch to Llywarch ap Bran of Anglesey
[40] Dwnn ii, 40
[41] Harl 2289. 111
[42] Dwnn ii, 57
[43] Dwnn ii, 39 & 42
[44] Dwnn ii, 42
[45] Harl 3525, 98
[46] Harl 3525, 96; Dwnn ii, 41
[47] Harl 5835, 49; see comment added to Note 39 above
[48] Harl 2289, 190
[49] LB 80 & 89
[50] Dwnn i, 95
[51] Harl 2289, 162
[52] Pen 133, 170
[53] Pen 131, 265
[54] Harl 2289, 64
[55] Harl 3525, 100
[56] Harl 2300(2), 136
[57] Harl 3525, 97
[58] Pen 128, 787b
[59] Harl 2289, 159
[60] Harl 3525, 104
[61] LB 146; Dwnn ii, 36 & 39
[62] Dwnn ii, 41 & 42
[63] Pen 134, 213
[64] Harl 3525, 99
[65] Cardiff 5.6, 159
[66] ibid [66.1] Glam 95 = Golden
Grove Ms 533
[67] Harl 2300(2) 144
[68] Harl 3535, 114; Dwnn ii, 44 (N,N,)
[69] Pen 140, 220
[70] Harl 3525, 106
[71] Harl 2300(2), 138
[72] Dwnn ii, 39
[73] Glamorgan
106 = Golden Grove Ms 544
[74] Harl 2289. 148
[75] Bodleian Add. A281, 420
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